Imagine for a second that you’re Hillary Clinton. You’ve just lost the battle to be the democratic party nomination for President of the United States, a destiny you always thought was yours for the taking. This was your big shot at being America’s first woman President, but as Barack Obama declares victory in the primaries you must be thinking that the job you once thought was yours for the taking, has just evaporated and you’re done. So now what?
Hillary is said to be “open” to the possibility of being Senator Obama’s Presidential running mate. But come on, if you had just lost an epic battle that a year ago you didn’t even think you would be fighting, would you be willing to stand dutifully behind the guy who just beat you? Besides which, there’s surely no way Obama would ask Hillary to be his running mate. She’s been slinging mud at him for months and if you were him wouldn’t you just want to get her and her annoying voice as far away from you as possible?
But what is Hillary playing at? She’s still not conceded defeat, and if she doesn’t do so quickly she risks not just being seen as a loser, but a sore loser. Her chance to exit the race gracefully has passed, but if she continues to fight this could get embarrassing, like watching a drunk wrestle a bouncer twice his size.
So, can Hillary go back to being just Senator Clinton, or is that too much of a step down for the once “inevitable leader?” Whatever she chooses, while she might not be willing to accept it, it seems that her hopes of putting the Clinton name back on the mailbox at the Whitehouse have disappeared, and with her husband and former President, Bill Clinton, saying on Monday “This may be the last day I’m ever involved in a campaign of this kind,” it looks like the age of Clintonism is over.
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Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 6:01 am
Im just glad the U.S. will go into the hands of someone other then a clinton or bush… to have potentially 32 years of our country under the ‘reign’ of two families is a little more then I can handle. I like variety.
Now, it is Clinton’s plan to resign at the end of my week from my understanding. I think one big reason she hasnt resigned is because she doesnt know what she’s doing yet. To resign and still keep your pride, you have to say what you’re moving onto.
As far as her becoming the VP… The only reason Obama would do it is to unite the party. She brought in votes from places that could very well go to McCain… a good number of voters who may go the way of McCain rather than Obama.
On the flip side… I wouldnt want her as my vp. I’d want to know that I could trust my vp without a shadow of a doubt. Im watching Obama very closely on this one… I think it will say a lot about the type of leader he will be. If he chooses her, it may very well say that he listens to the voices around him over his better judgement. Not really a bad thing persay, but I really hope he can make decisions with his better judgment, filtering out the desires of those around him who most probably carry mixed motives for wanting her in the white house.
I guess this really is shameful of me cause i’m not leaving the option open that he would actually like to have her as a vp… but with everything that’s happened, i just dont see how he could. we shall see though very soon.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I don’t think Obama or anyone who is involved with Obama will want Clinton anywhere near the him. He doesn’t need her and frankly I think that claims that some democrats will vote for a republican because Clinton didn’t get the nomination are highly exaggerated.
Having Clinton on the ticket won’t unite the party. Yes, in the short term it might make her supporters feel a little better, but it screams ‘loser’ and does nothing for the party in the long term. She’s finished and now the only real question is how will she manage to elegantly move aside and let the upstart take the place she always felt was rightfully hers.
Another big reason not to have her as potential VP can be summed up in two words… Bill Clinton. Yes he was popular back in the day, but he threw down some dirty blows in the campaign and having her name on the ticket might very well mobolize the republicans to come out and vote against the prospect of putting “that man” back in the Whitehouse.
My concern is that she might feel really badly burned by all of this and not step away from the microphone as she rightfully should, but instead flit around annoyingly in the background picking up on moments of frustration and deflation in the Obama Presidency saying “If I had been the nomination…”
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 2:11 pm
That’s a funny cartoon.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 2:25 pm
If a campaign is a window into her ability to govern, Hillary’s history of blunders makes me question her qualifications to be President.
Some examples:
* Every time she took a cheap shot at Obama and he responded with class, she tarnished her image.
* She hammered away with her 35 years of experience, but it was a gross exageration. Baloney.
* She tried to weasel out of her war vote. More baloney.
* She often praised McCain while trashing Obama. Low rent.
* She promised jobs wherever she campaigned, but didn’t talk about her broken jobs promise in NY. More baloney.
Hillary did solidify her image as an angry, post-menopausal feminista-white woman of a certain age – an instant turn-off that makes many men (and many women) cringe. It’s not an image that Hillary cultivated, to be sure, but using spokesmen like Geraldine Ferraro cemented this familiar and scary image.
Many of us look forward to a female president, but not Hillary. I don’t see a role for her in the Obama administration. She burned too many bridges. And unless she does something for upstate NY her future in the Senate is in question.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 2:38 pm
What now for her? Go back to the good old days, when people didn’t write blog posts with Pictures From Hell of her. ;-)
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 3:30 pm
While hilary is not my favorite person in the world, her campaign has already said she’ll be resigning at the end of the week… I dont think she will continue to flit in the background…. that would be a serious shame to her and I think she’ll eventually realize that.
She’s made some mistakes yes, with regards to Obama, but that was when she thought she could get the nomination. When its out of her reach, i sincerely think she will unite with the democratic party to support him.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 3:43 pm
You want to know what’s next for Hillary Simon. I’ll tell you. John McCains running mate is what’s next for her. Come on, who wants to take that bet with me :)
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Tell us Simon. What makes you think Hillary couldn’t run again in 2012? Obama will most certainly dissapoint people and with the race between them being so tight I think people will want to see her leading this country out of the darkness that Bush has lead us into. Hillary is an astounding woman who is remarkably well qualified to lead this country. It’s not over yet by a long way!
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I don’t think she’ll be VP either, Simon. I don’t think she’s happy in the Senate either though, so I’d look for her to make a deal to lay low for a while in exchange for an appointment with a nice title in the Obama White House should that happen.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 4:29 pm
The only other possibility I can think of is a place on the Supreme Court. But I’m not sure that would be her cup of tea. I think health czar is most likely, though she might lead the effort from the Senate.
And Simon, don’t write off the rule of Clintonism so soon. Chelsea is still alive and I’d be willing to put some money on her making a stab at the top job sometime.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Hillary’s power base is her female constituency and that’s where she will be welcome after she’s through in the Senate. I’ll wager that she will become a 21st Century Gloria Steinem, working for women’s rights.
Bill might enjoy the girl power rallies.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Interesting picture of Hillary you’re using there ;-)
I just don’t know what job Hillary can even be considered for – any offer now would only be seen as buying her and her supporters off, is that what we want, I would not like to see her as a VP.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I think it’s safe to say that being a voice over artist isn’t in her future.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Health Czar!?
Err, NO! This is a position that absolutely needs bi-partisan support. Hillary was and is a divisive individual. What is it with Democrats who insist on bringing back losers and failures?
If Obama wins and puts Hillary in charge of health care reform, it would be a massive blunder. This issue is so directly important to Americans and to put a person who 3/4 of the population can’t stand (and who has already failed) would be disastrous. “Change”, remember?
New Yorkers are the only ones who have ever elected this wretch. Let them have her back and spare the rest of us from continuous Clinton calamities.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Seeing all of this on TV and reading questions about obamas potential electability in the states, I wonder if a black man could win an election here in the UK?
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I think Hillary’s goal now will be to divide the party behind the scenes. It’s the only way she has a legitimate shot to be president in 2012 which I think you’re being way to cavalier about writing off Simon.
It will be much easier to replace McCain as president than to beat out the current president Obama for the Democratic nomination. Hillary will have to work hard behind the scenes to have her supporters not vote for Obama. Notice I didn’t say vote for McCain I said NOT vote for Obama; completely different things.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I think Hilary as VP is fine, however you don’t just get Hilary do you? I’m not sure he can win without her though, but I hope I’m wrong. Chelsea annoys the hell out of me, she campaigned really hard for her Mum but refused to answer many questions. Well I’m sorry love, if you’re going to campaign for your Mum, and expect people to listen to you then you need to be prepared to answer questions.
Watching McCain the other day, he really does come across as an old man, in the way he moves, in the way he talks. The only thing he seems to have is this ‘I’m a true American hero” line. Well, the soldiers I’ve met have never been that great at diplomacy.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I seem to recall, a while back, in the lovely state of Florida, when a particular election seemed to have been won and then there was this little scandal about the ballots and whether or not they had been properly punched and well, you probably recall the rest of the story too…perhaps Hillary is waiting for her “little scandal” that would turn things around. Who knows. I will say this – I will not miss all the Hillary bashing! Like her or not, she has taken a real beating in every corner of the media…and the jokes, please, enough already!
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I thought that if I returned to this blog I would see something bashing Hillary. What an objectionable small minded sexist pig you are Simon, but what more could I expect from an idiot europhile who somehow thinks his meaningless opinion is important?
Wrote the following comment on Jun 5, 2008 at 11:21 pm
I doubt Hillary is relishing 2012 if McCain wins. If so she will have to face Obama again for the Democratic nod and then battle an incumbent president. Her odds will be even tougher than they were this year. If she’s smart, she’ll push for VP and hope it’ll give her a chance to appear “presidential” for a run in 2016.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:50 am
You know what, it really fucks me off that people use pictures like that of Hillary. Might I ask the author what exactly was the point of using such an awful picture. If this was supposed to be a serious and balanced bit of writing then all that was scupper by the use of that ridiculous picture. The author is clearly a total ass hole!
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 1:34 am
I’m sorry to those of you who don’t like my use of that picture. However such cruel treatment is not reserved just for Hillary. I’ve done the same to President Bush and Condoleezza Rice too.
It’s not clear what Hillary is going to do at the weekend, is she going to officially drop out of the running or merely suspend her campaign, nobody seems to know for sure. If it’s the latter though then I think Susan might be onto something.
As for Obama struggling to get elected without her, well I don’t think that’s anywhere near the money. My only hope is that despite the fact that McCain’s staff have already said they’re going to bring up the financial scandal relating to one of Obama’s key fund raisers so as to draw Obama’s judgement into question, I hope that Obama himself will continue to rise above that and no stoop to the kind of mud slinging politics we’ve grown accustom to seeing in America.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 2:48 am
I am very sad that Hillary had the nomination stolen from her. The black man who now stands in her place will do nothing but please the liberal elites and further a gutless cowardly leftist agenda.
My vote shifts to McCain now.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 3:03 am
Humility is what’s required before anything else. She has made a fool of herself in the last day or so and will have alienated many who previously had allied themselves to her.
Losing disgracefully is not likely to enamour her to the electorate but if she retracts, apologises and makes herself available to Obama for any job he has in mind, she could yet find herself with some special role to play. Just so long as it is well away from the centre of Democratic power.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 3:38 am
Lazarus arose from the dead, so can my blog. Thank you.
And as for Hil, the ol’ gal can go back to making her bogus 5 minute chocolate chip cookies from 1992 and filing her perfect manicure into a bitchin’ set of claws (the better to emasculate with, my dear- she can deflate an ego faster than a racehorse out of the gate). Before she was converted to the left, she was a republican. It’s true…she interned in the House as a REPUBLICAN while an undergrad. So maybe George wasn’t so far off base with her helping McCain. Poor Bill. He was so looking forward to the interview portion of the intern selection progress.:-)
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 9:49 am
Schmit, why on earth would you vote for McCain over Obama? Can you explain to me what policies McCain has that are more in line with Hilary’s than Obama’s? Of course, if you are voting based on personality rather than policy then that’s a different matter. The fact that you mention his colour in your post gives me the suspicion that its his colour you have a
Can you also explain how Hilary had the nomination ‘stolen’ from her?
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Politically Hilary Clinton is dead meat. DEAD. She ain’t coming back despite the surprise meeting with Obama. There is just too much baggage.
The only thing that matters now is that in America there are a lot of angry – very angry women. I don’t think that cohort will support Obama.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:57 pm
If you believe in Democracy you shouldn’t be angry when your candidate loses. The Clinton campaign have hit Obama with some pretty cheap shots over the last 5 months, I don’t get this whole ‘poor Hilary’ thing.
Clinton’s failure was her complacency early on, she assumed she would be the nominee, this allowed Obama to get the mo.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 1:06 pm
If Obama appears to be coerced into accepting Clinton as V.P., he would look like a weak leader who is not in charge of his own campaign and might not be in charge of his own Presidency.
The majority of Hillary’s voters obviously would have preferred her but will support Obama over McCain. Most women voters will realize that it would be foolish to vote for McCain–who would appoint Supreme Court justices who would abolish a woman’s right to choose. While some white working class voters may be reluctant to vote for an African American, most will ultimately reject McCain’s continuation of Bush’s economic policies.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Wilvo, You need to check your facts. Hillary won the popular vote and all of the major states except for NC and IL.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 3:06 pm
@ Schmit – Hillary won the popular vote only if you employ some creative math that discounts caucuses and includes some shady votes from Michigan and Florida. In the end though, it’s all about delegates, so the popular vote is just another stat. Ask Al Gore.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Schmit, the nomination has never been decided by popular vote. Hillary’s count is OFF: she throws out all the caucus states, lost Texas, and is fooling herself and you by counting Michigan, where Obama’s name didn’t appear but “uncommitted” won 200,000 votes. Obama Zero, Hillary says. That’s ridiculous. And she was part of the decision not to count Michigan and Florida!
I might remind you that in 1992 Bill Clinton did well in caucuses and, somehow, they were considered important THEN.
I am sorry Hillary has convinced so many people, including you, of a basic untruth that makes you feel angry and cheated and hurt. That’s worthy of criticism. The “Count the Votes” chant was taken from the REPUBLICAN playbook in Florida!
Is it Hillary first? Or country first?
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Schmit, Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 election. Your point? Also, she only won the popular vote with some creative maths, by counting Florida & Michigan and not counting caucuses. You can’t complain about the rules just because your candidate lost.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I have yet to see one Hillary supporter acknowledge the REAL reasons she lost. Like her, they keep blaming everyone BUT her. INSANE! Do any of you Hillary supporters remember any of these events?
1. Told Katie Couric that she could not imagine NOT being the nominee and refused to consider the possibility. Went on to say it would all be over by February 5th.
2. Believed her own hype so much that her team did not even have a plan in place for the caucuses or primaries that took place after February 5th. NOT coincidentally, the string of 11 losses AFTER Feb 5th is what cost her the delegate lead and the nomination. She never caught up.
3. Got caught having her team plant questions at Iowa town hall meetings. This was beyond stupid.
4. Lied about or rediculously exagerated her Bosnia story.
Does anyone remember ANY of these events? Did anybody in the media or Obama’s campaign do these things to her or did she do them to herself?
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I will be so happy to not see one more word written about the Clintons. It is time to watch the Obama campaign self-destruct when the media actually does not have the Clintons to beat up on and the light shines on him and him alone.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Yes ‘Hillary for President,’ now that you mention it, I WAS too distracted by watching the media beat on the Cintons to notice that the Obama campaign has been self-destructing all along. But that Obama–he’s just too smooth! I mean, that whole winning thing? Simply genius. Kept me right from noticing what an abject failure his campaign has been from start to finish. Haw! Better not try slipping that one past Admiral McCain.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Hillary’s managerial incompetence, bold-faced lies, hysterical flip-flopping, race-baiting, and distortion of the facts make her categorically unfit for such high office. At least half the Democratic party and a majority of all others wouldn’t trust her as their janitor, let alone VP.
With her graceless, narcissistic, and totally deranged non-concession speech on Tuesday night, she removed forever any lingering trace of doubt: this woman’s hubris and sense of entitlement, her inability to comprehend and accept factual evidence, and her total lack of understanding of the forces that have dethroned her, all render her ineligible for any office senior than the one she already holds.
And that office, I suspect, is now dangling by a thread, too.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Don’t you think its great how passionate people have become during this primary season? Isn’t it great after years of apathy that people are getting involved and are really taking an interest. I’m a Brit and I’ve been following this primary like a hawk, the whole world is watching Democracy at work America. I wish we had a politician in the UK with half the integrity of Obama.
I simply can’t get my head round Democrats wanting Obama to fail simply because Hilary didn’t win.
I know American’s have a tendency to elect idiots but I sincerely hope you don’t screw it up again. Its not just your own lives you screw up, its everyone elses too.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 6, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Sharky, how dare you refer to her as narcissistic and deranged?
Hillary Clinton won half the votes cast. She wanted to take a breath before conceding. Good grief! Ted Kennedy who had a small number of votes in 1980 insisted on staying in until the convention where he refused to shake Carter’s hand!
Bill Bradley suspended his campaign in March and didn’t endorse Gore for months.
As usual, an unreasonable double standard exists for Hillary Clinton.
I don’t want Clinton to run as Obama’s VP because I think she’s too good for him. In fact, she’s too good for the Democratic Party.
She’s entitled to take a few days to consider her options for her role in the party and at the convention. If you can’t accept that, it says more about you than it does about her.
Obama needs her more than she needs him. She will absolutely do the right thing for the damned Democratic Party to help them win the White House.
But I no longer expect the Democratic Party or its standard bearer to do the right thing by her or by Bill Clinton.
Cowards and ingrates now control of the party.
My new enrollment form is made out and signed, and I’m mailing it tomorrow. After 56 years I am leaving the Democratic Party. I will not be enrolled in any party.
I will follow the general campaign closely and decide which of the two evils to vote for.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 1:02 am
“She wanted to take a breath before conceding. Good grief!”
That’s just utterly ridiculous. She was almost mathematically eliminated from the race over a month ago. She even adjusted the strategy to focus on [a fraudulently calculated] popular vote to attract super delegates. She’s known for a long, long time that her chances were shrinking every single day – especially when Obama was reeling in almost all of the super-delegates over the last 2 months.
This isn’t a last lap, fatal crash by the 1-lap leader in the Indianapolis 500 where you need to gather your wits as a fan of that racer. This is the end of a tournament where you’ve been behind for a dozen rounds – there is no shock and no excuse for being unprepared to deal with the outcome professionally and with dignity.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 3:03 am
Hillary reminds me of those nutty ex-girlfriends you sometimes have. She is, in effect, the Democratic Party’s psychotic ex-girlfriend. :-D
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 4:21 am
im not a democrat but i think the democrats are screwed this year because the choices they had were so bad. on one hand they could put the country in the hands of a ni––er* who might talk real nice but wont be any good because despite what people think, a lot of white folk wont follow a black man. on the other hand they could choose a woman and a clinton no less, thereby putting bill back in charge to some degree. plus, women have issues once a month that effect their brains and i know for sure that theres no way on this earth that i would want some overly emotional woman operating farm machinery, let alone the entire country!
all of you who think obama has this election in the bag are making the same mistake as hillary did when she thought she had the nomination wrapped up long ago. mccain is the man true americans will vote for because he is white, male, experienced and trustworthy.
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Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 9:31 am
Mountains high, how utterly ridiculous not to vote for someone based on his colour. Tell me, if McCain was black, would you vote for him? Or does being black negate his experience and trustworthy-ness? Surely anyone who at least has an ounce of intelligence would vote for someone based on their policies, not on the colour of their skin. You’ve had a white man in the White House for the last 8 years and he has damaged your countries safety and image massively. Its no wonder that with opinions like yours, your country is scorned upon by the rest of the World, you look down on other countries and think you’re so great and yet, you can’t even accept a man because of the colour of his skin or Hilary because of her gender. My friend, that makes you a 3rd world country in my eyes, not a super power.
In effect, what you are saying is that a true American is a white, racist sexist pig. Its no surprise that those with a college degree are more likely to vote for Obama.
I don’t think you’ve had a man of such integrity running for the White House in such a long time. This man seems like he’s capable of building bridges and restoring America’s image as a world leader. America is in a mess, McCain doesn’t have what it takes to put things right.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Two words; Tony Rezko. Birds of a feather flock together.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Re comment 42. What a jerk!
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Just when the election was getting boring, its right back up to spicy again!
I personally think she would have made a good president. I have always voted Republican, but as I get older I have realized how bad things suck in the US for the average, middle class citizen. I dont think a Dem president is going to make things all better w/kitties and rainbows. But I do think we need a change in leadership and views. Realistically whoever gets office has a whole lot of cleaning up to do, and I felt Hillary would have fit the role in organizing and managing the mess our country has created. I also feel like we need better world relations, and both Hillary and Obama seem to be PR-like people. I just hope whoever wins, can do something about the immed needs of the American people….which is saving our economy and being able to afford gas, food and our homes. I think the average person is more concerned if they can afford to feed and drive their kids to school more than the whether or not Osama is found or the War on Terrorism. We need to feel confident that we can survive and not lose our ass right now financially.
ps Hi Simon- long time no speak :)
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Hi Barbie! You know as I read your comment I thought to myself that I wish we in the UK were paying your gas prices. We’re around $10-12 a gallon here. It’s about to go up again too! The other day I put about $110 of gas in my little car, and I do that about every 10 – 14 days. If I drove to work, obviously that would be a great deal more.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 7, 2008 at 10:17 pm
@ Rick. Hillary did not lose Texas in the traditional vote, only in the caucus, which amounts to mob rule.
Disenfranchisement of the vote in Florida would be to punish Democrats for the actions of the GOP. I understand Obama thinks the GOP is the party of ideas, but is it a good idea to allow the GOP to dictate the value of the Democratic vote in any state? I don’t think so.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 8, 2008 at 2:28 am
I wonder how different this could”ve been. We can’t undo hurtful statements, but perhaps we can learn from this primary that when there’s a common goal, it”s not so easy to shrug off insults.
When I was young, a long time ago now, even the best of friends found themselves in heated, friendly competition for a shared crush, a swing or a pickup game. Clinton and Obama could have approached this in such an amicable way that even with the same outcome, we all would have celebrated. That’s not to berate either candidate; but they could have behaved differently.
“So you got Colorado, huh?” Clinton teases. “Well, I bet you a beer that I’ll take Ohio. And you have to wear a party hat at the next debate.” “It”s a deal,” Obama retorts. “But, if I win, you’ve got to say the alphabet backward at your next stump speech.”
I realize it’s silly, but think of the road these campaigns could have taken — garnering more support for both. They still could have discussed the issues showed how they deviate from McCain. But what did we get? “Shame on you, Barack Obama!” and “You’re likable enough, Hillary.”
Let’s not even go into what their supporters said or the media did (or what picture blogger like Simon chose to post!). Maybe I’m idealistic, but maybe next time we won’t be so nasty to people on the same team. Maybe there won’t be self-destructive “voting for McCain” talk,” because we’ll have no problem supporting whoever gets the brass ring.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm
@ 48 – I have two problems with your statement that, “Disenfranchisement of the vote in Florida would be to punish Democrats for the actions of the GOP.”
First off, it’s not true. Just because the governor who signed the bill to move up the primaries is a Republican let’s not forget that the Florida state legislature (which includes 50+ Democrats) voted 155-2 in favor of the same bill.
Secondly, I’m tired of people tossing around the word “Disenfranchise” in reference to the Florida/Michigan delegate situation. People know this word carries with it a reminder of when women and blacks could not legally vote in the U.S. That is completely different than what is going on now – Florida got its Olympic medal (or half of it) stripped when they tested positive for steroids, they were NOT barred from running in the race.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 9, 2008 at 5:08 pm
wilvo, you’re not being realistic. so you think i am a racist, well i don’t like that title but for you i’ll take it. i don’t trust black folk and from my experience of them i have damn good reason not to. So no, if mccain was black i wouldn’t vote for him neither.
obama will lose come the general. it will be a big surprise to you and many others, but this will be beause he is black and because historically black people are idle and stupid.
let me tell you wilvo. our prisons are full of black people, are streets are at war at the hands of the blacks. i ask you, are the mexicans the same. they are a minority group but they understand that there are no free rides in this country.
obama represents black america, most of whom are sucking the blood out of this proud land without jobs and with bo more than the hope of becoming a rapper or a porn performer to cling to. if he were somehow able to win then he would be a huge dissapointment, a 4 year president and nothing more.
mark my words, whatever you think of my country, mccain will win at a time when a republican candidate is probably more likely to lose had it not been for such a foolish choice by the democrits.
Wrote the following comment on Jun 12, 2008 at 2:16 am
My goodness Simon, you sure know how to get a discussion started! Wow, fifty-one comments! Trying to remember your last big topic…regardless, congratulations on getting lots of people reading, opinionating, and sharing. Alhtough, there were a few anti-Simon comments that I think were a bit overdone. Really, just go on to another blog if you’re that pissed off and offended!
Wrote the following comment on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:43 am
Mountains high, I was going to write some lengthy reply to you but then realised there was no point, you’re a small minded idiot. Perhaps some black people are the way you describe due to the nature of the discrimination and oppression they have been subject too. Remember, your parents and grandparents used to burn em! I can see how that could cause some racial tension.
Hopefully Obama will have mobilised enough of the young vote to cancel out you and your racist pals.